Usha Vance, the second lady of the United States, disclosed that she and her husband, JD Vance, were thinking about having a fourth child. According to reports, the SLOTUS made the remark during her appearance on Meghan McCain’s show, Citizen McCain, on Wednesday.
“Never say never,” she advised McCain. Usha claims that she was aware that she would have a large family after marrying the prospective vice president and going to Yale together. “The number, though, that was the question,” she chuckled.
“I grew up with just two kids in the family and J.D. has a differently structured family but he primarily grew up with just his sister,” she added. “I think what we decided at the outset is we’ll have two and then we’ll see how we feel about that.”
“And I thought maybe I would have two kids, and I would think I’m done, this is good,” Usha added. “But I just liked having the two kids so much that I think I ended up being the driver for three, which really surprised both of us.”
No vice president has ever had a kid while in office, according to the Daily Mail. McCain shared some personal news with the Second Lady during the conversation, revealing that she was expecting her third child. “Well, congratulations; that’s so exciting,” Usha replied. The Second Lady continued by discussing her reasons for enjoying having three kids.
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“What I’ve really enjoyed about three kids is that it’s just enough for them to be kind of a pack,” she said. “Like the oldest will take care of the youngest one, the youngest is so motivated to be like the older two that she’s basically self-sufficient, always has been. It’s awesome.”
Vance also joked that having zero to one child was “an enormous shock.” She added, “Zero feels one way and one feels like the entire world is turned upside down and you don’t know what you’re doing and what’s up and what’s down.” “One to two wasn’t that bad, and two to three was, shockingly, the easiest of all,” she added before stating, “So you may be in for a surprise.”
Both women talked candidly about the difficulties they faced while pregnant. “So during pregnancy, during each of them, I was prone to anemia, which just makes you so tired, and you’re already kind of tired and especially when we were having our third child,” said Usha.
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“I was completely exhausted because I had a trial right before,” she stated. Usha said that her difficulties served as a parenting test. “But for me it was actually a little bit different because pregnancy was so exhausting that not being anemic was like, you know, high on life and that really helped,” she added. Usha says, however, the transition to parenting was not easy.
“I mean, I kid you not, we were still mostly nocturnal and I wasn’t awake during the day and I had to kind of switch to being awake and functioning during the day and sleeping at night,” she said. “So that was a really rough transition for us.”
“It honestly ended up being good because it showed me a little bit about how much time I had been wasting before and how much more efficiently I could run my professional life in a way that would allow me to be the kind of parent I wanted to be,’ she added. “It was zero to 60 in a lot of ways but I think it changed everything about how I lived after that.”
